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January 31, 2014
Negotiations Update
By Mark Lockwood, Negotiating Chairman

We completed our third week of mediation on Jan. 23 in San Antonio, Texas. In attendance for ALPA were Mark Lockwood, Bob Burgess, Erik Johnson, Richard Swindell, Victoria Fortuna, David Holtzman and Cory Tennen. In attendance for the Company were Joel Kuplack, Bob Frisch, Stan Petersen-Gauthier, Sara Peters, Matt Knapstein, Andrea Jensen and Tina Vos. Sections in play were 12, 27, and 28. Please see the chart to the left for the status of all sections; this chart has also been attached for your convenience.

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Winter Ops, Deicing
By John Jester, Chief Accident Investigator

With winter storms continuing to threaten our operations, we wanted to take a moment to review the deicing process and the hazards associated with operating in the snow.

Last Saturday, Jan. 25, the Central Air Safety Committee (CASC) received reports of serious deicing issues in PHL and distributed a Fastread to the pilots addressing these issues. To recap, a small snow system pushed through PHL with light to moderate snowfall and PHL Ramp Operations set up a full deicing operation on the pad.

As descriptions of how the deicing operation was being conducted came through, the Central Air Safety Committee and the MEC became concerned. Taking from a report shared with us, a crew overheard other crews reporting that “they were being sprayed with unheated type I.” They also stated that “one air crew advised another air crew that the de-ice team had sprayed type IV on the aircraft before spraying type I.” It was later announced on the radio that this deicing team was a training team. These are just a few of the operational shortcomings reported on that day.

This crew went on to describe their own experience while being deiced: “Upon completing type I, we both noticed what we thought to be contamination on both of our wings. We inquired with Ice Man and requested a tactile check. The response we received was that a tactile check is automatic.”

The crew also stated that the trucks began to spray type IV fluid prior to the requested tactile check and then received a deicing report that they were clean. The crew questioned the safety of the operation and chose to contact dispatch and return to the gate. They immediately deplaned and found contamination on their wings. They documented their findings with images taken with their phone. We want to commend this crew for their safety first attitude.

Now let’s look at what we should be doing and seeing when we are getting deiced. First, make sure to inspect the aircraft before push to see what kind of contamination and how much there is on the aircraft. It makes a difference if it is ice, light dry snow, or heavy wet snow. Ice on the aircraft can be difficult to remove and may be hidden under residual fluid from deicing, but still attached firmly to the surface. Communicate your needs early to operations or via established procedures for the station. When you get to the deice pad, configure and communicate in clear and straightforward terms. Stay vigilant throughout the entire process and monitor all that you can from the cockpit. You should see lots of steam coming from the stream of type I fluid. The deicing teams should be close to the surface they are spraying—5-10 feet is ideal, and more than 15 feet should be questioned. Snow and ice should be melted off, not blasted off the aircraft. At the completion of type I deicing, you should have a clean, shiny looking wing. Make sure you see a tactile check being conducted prior to application of type IV fluid if applicable. If you do get type IV applied, try to get the specific manufacturer and type for that fluid to use the appropriate chart for determining hold over times.

If you encounter any issues or observations related to deicing, please fill out an ASAP report. The only way we are able to make traction in changing areas like this is with documented safety reports.

For more information, please listen to this week’s MEC podcast on the ARW ALPA Channel or contact your CASC volunteers at

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FFD Meeting Highlights Negotiations, Coordination
By ALPA Communications

This week, MEC Vice Chairman Jeff Pruett, Scheduling Chairman Tybee Halter, and Negotiating Member Erik Johnson attended an ALPA’s Small Carrier Bargaining Forum and Fee-for-Departure (FFD) meeting in Herndon, Va. Also in attendance were pilot leaders from Atlantic Southeast, American Eagle, Compass, Endeavor, ExpressJet, Mesa, Piedmont, and Trans States. Event attendees reviewed financial projections for the airline industry’s performance in 2014, examined the initial effects following Part 117’s implementation, reviewed the Affordable Care Act and its impact on our plans for the future, and considered retirement plan issues that should be addressed in negotiations.

The meeting participants shared information and ideas concerning negotiating issues at their respective properties. Capt. Sean Hansen (ALA), ALPA’s National Collective Bargaining Committee (CBC) chairman, and Capt. Jonathan Allen (PCL), his pilot group’s MEC chair and CBC member, led a discussion on strategic initiatives aimed at protecting this segment of the airline pilot profession. The day concluded with ALPA president Capt. Lee Moak leading an open discussion on issues affecting FFD pilot groups and offering ideas about ways the Association can assist moving forward. ALPA’s FFD pilot groups have been meeting in person and holding conference calls routinely to share information and focus on industry concerns.

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Upcoming Dates

2014 DATES
Feb. 24-27 Leadership Training in IAD
March 11-13 Secretary/Treasurers’ Conference in IAD
May 13-15 ALPA Executive Board Meeting in IAD
May 24-31 MEC Meeting in YUL
Aug. 4-7 ALPA Air Safety Week in DCA
Oct. 11-17 MEC Meeting
Oct. 20-23 ALPA Board of Directors Meeting

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